I think it’s important to know that Christ is real. To hear it from someone who has seen Christ. For real. Primary sources are so important. Joseph Smith shared his vision of Christ and it’s an integral part of my faith, though I have not met Joseph Smith. In 1989, Apostle David B. Haight shared his vision of Christ. One of my favorites is Lorenzo Snow’s vision of Christ which he shared with his grand-daughter, Allie Young Pond and recorded by Lorenzo’s son, LeRoi C. Snow, “An Experience of My Father’s”
For some time President Woodruff’s health had been failing. Nearly every evening President Lorenzo Snow visited him at his home. This particular evening the doctors said that President Woodruff could not live much longer, that he was becoming weaker every day. President Snow was greatly worried. We cannot realize today what a terrible financial condition the Church was in at that time—owing millions of dollars and not being able to pay even the interest on its indebtedness.
My father went to his room in the Salt Lake Temple, dressed in his robes of the Priesthood, knelt at the sacred altar in the Holy of Holies in the House of the Lord and there plead to the Lord to spare President Woodruff’is life, that President Woodruff might outlive him and that the great responsibility of Church leadership would not fall upon his shoulders. Yet he promised the Lord that he would devotedly perform any duty required at his hands. At this time he was in his eighty-sixth year.
Soon after this President Woodruff was taken to California where he died Friday morning at 6:40 o’clock September 2nd, 1898. President George Q. Cannon at once wired the information to the President’s office in Salt Lake City. Word was forwarded to President Snow who was in Brigham City. The telegram was delivered to him on the street in Brigham, He read it to President Rudger Clawson, then President of Boxelder Stake, who was with him, went to the telegraph office and replied that he would leave on the train about 5:30 that evening. He reached Salt Lake City about 7:15, proceeded to the President’s office, gave some instructions and then went to his private room in the Salt Lake Temple.
President Snow put on his holy temple robes, repaired again to the same sacred altar, offered up the signs of the Priesthood and poured out his heart to the Lord. He reminded the Lord how he plead for President Woodruff’s life to be spared, that President Woodruff’s days would be lengthened beyond his own; that he might never be called upon to bear the heavy burdens and responsibilities of the Church. “Nevertheless,” he said, “Thy will be done. I have not sought this responsibility but if it be Thy will, I now present myself before Thee for Thy guidance and instruction. I ask that Thou show me what Thou wouldst have me do.”
After finishing his prayer he expected a reply, some special manifestation from the Lord. So he waited,—and waited—and waited. There was no reply, no voice, no visitation, no manifestation. He left the altar and the room in great disappointment.
Passing through the Celestial room and out into the large corridor a glorious manifestation was given President Snow which I relate in the words of his grand-daughter, Allie Young Pond, now the wife of Elder Noah S. Pond, recently president of the Northern States Mission:
“One evening while I was visiting grandpa Snow in his room in the Salt Lake Temple, I remained until the doorkeepers had gone and the night-watchmen had not yet come in, so grand-pa said he would take me to the main front entrance and let mc out that way. He got his bunch of keys from his dresser. After we left his room and while we were still in the large corridor leading into the celestial room, I was walking several steps ahead of grand-pa when he stopped me and said: ‘Wait a moment, Allie, I want to tell you something. It was right here that the Lord Jesus Christ appeared to me at the time of the death of President Woodruff. He instructed me to go right ahead and reorganize the First Presidency of the Church at once and not wait as had been done after the death of the previous presidents and that I was to succeed President Woodruff.’
“Then grand-pa came a step nearer and held out his left hand and said; ‘He stood right here, about three feet above the floor. It looked as though He stood on a plate of solid gold.’
“Grandpa told me what a glorious personage the Savior is and described His hands, feet, countenance, and beautiful white robes, all of which were of such a glory of whiteness and brightness that he could hardly gaze upon Him.
“Then he came another step nearer and put his right hand on my head and said: ‘Now, grand-daughter, I want you to remember that this is the testimony of your grandfather, that he told you with his own lips that he actually saw the Savior, here in the Temple, and talked with Him face to face.’ “Then we went on and Grandpa let me out of the main front door of the Temple.”
During the June conference in 1919 at an M. I. A. officers’ meeting in the Assembly Hall I related the above testimony. President Heber J. Grant immediately arose and said:
In confirmation of the testimony given by Brother LeRoi C. Snow quoting the grand-daughter of Lorenzo Snow, I want to call attention to the fact that several years elapsed after the death of the Prophet Joseph before President Young was sustained as the president of the Church; after the death of President Young, several years elapsed again before President Taylor was sustained, and again when he died several years elapsed before President Woodruff was sustained.
After the funeral of President Wilford Woodruff, the apostles met in the office of the First Presidency and brother Francis M. Lyman said: “I feel impressed, although one of the younger members of the quorum, to say that I believe it would be pleasing in the sight of the Lord if the First Presidency of the Church was reorganized right here and right now. If I am in error regarding this impression. President Snow and the senior members of the council can correct me.”
President Snow said that he would be pleased to hear from all the brethren upon this question, and each and all of us expressed ourselves as believing it would be pleasing to the Lord and that it would be the proper thing to have the Presidency organized at once.
When we had finished, then and not till then, did Brother Snow tell us that he was instructed of the Lord in the temple the night after President Woodruff died, to organize the Presidency of the Church at once. President Anthon H. Lund and myself are the only men now living who were present at that meeting.
May the Lord bless and guide us by his spirit continually and may the testimony that we possess of the divinity of the work ever abide with us and our faithfulness be an inspiration to lead others to a knowledge of the gospel, [p.679] is my prayer and I ask it in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
A few days after the M. I. A, conference, in an interview with President Lund in his office, he retold the incident to me as given by President Grant regarding the meeting in the office of the First Presidency on Tuesday morning, September 13th, 1898, at which Lorenzo Snow was chosen President of the Church. He also said that he heard father tell a number of times of the Savior’s appearance to him after he had dressed in his temple robes, presented himself before the Lord and offered up the signs of the Priesthood.
I related this experience in the Eighteenth ward sacramental service. After the meeting Elder Arthur Winter told me he also had heard my father tell of the Savior’s appearance to him in the Temple instructing him not only to reorganize the First Presidency at once but also to select the same counselors that President Woodruff had. Presidents George Q. Cannon and Joseph F. Smith. (LeRoi C. Snow, “An Experience of My Father’s,” The Improvement Era, 36, no. 11 (Sept. 1933): 677, 679.)
I’ve seen the location where Lorenzo Snow saw Christ. I’ve seen where his office was located in the Salt Lake Temple. I guess it’s just nice to know that someone saw Christ alive, after His crucifixion.
Lorenzo Snow’s testimony of seeing Christ is also found: Lorenzo Snow and the Sacred Vision
David B. Haight’s testimony of seeing Christ is found: The Sacrament and the Sacrifice
I find it odd that some leaders seem to contradict the need to hear first-hand witnesses:
In addition, while some early apostles and other members of the church have had the sublime spiritual experience of seeing the Savior and some have made a public record of this, in the circumstances of today we are counseled not to speak of our most sacred spiritual experiences, otherwise with modern technology that can broadcast something all over the world, a remark made in a sacred and a private setting can be said abroad in violation of the Savior’s commandment not to cast our pearls before swine. (ref)
Many faithful, unswine-like people are anxious to know and hear first-hand witnesses of Christ. And that may be the reason characters like Denver Snuffer have a following.
I believe we need to hear from witnesses who have seen Christ even though we have Joseph Smith, Lorenzo Snow, and David B. Haight.
Holy of Holies, SLC Temple. House of the Lord: Historical and Descriptive Sketch of the Sale Lake Temple (Salt Lake City, UT: George Q. Cannon & Sons, Co., 1893), 19-20
Delia,
It’s all a trial of faith. Do we have the faith to follow our leaders, whether they’ve see Jesus or not? How neat it is, when we do hear about their experiences as it affirms our faith, but it does nothing to actually promote our personal growth towards Christ. We believe Christ lives or we don’t. We can’t rely on the testimony of third parties to base our own testimony – we cannot trust in the arm of flesh. We need to search the confirming spirit for ourselves that Christ lives and that he has restored His continuing church. Once we have that, what other witness do we need? In the case of President Snow, he did not ask to see Jesus, just to know the direction to proceed. Christ’s appearance was His decision.
Looking for others to testify of their personal visions of Jesus is not wrong, but can be misguided. Are we looking for further evidence of the testimony we’ve already received, or are we looking for evidence to build the testimony? Anyone can say they’ve seen Christ, but does that establish the bedrock foundation for our own witness? We have been given the Gift of the Holy Ghost, but fail to receive it when we look to others for proof of the existence of Christ. Part of the purpose of the Holy Ghost is to testify of the divinity of Christ and his mission. What better person to listen to then the third member of the Godhead. While we can respect and reverence those who have had the earthly opportunity to commune with the Savior, our personal growth can be far better accelerated by seeking our own testimony and acting upon that. I would much rather have a personal one-on-one relationship with Christ rather than having to rely on some third party.
Brother Snuffer had a good idea, but has become lost in the precepts of men. Christ appears to whom he wishes and when he wishes. We should always live our lives to be worthy of that special moment, but should never expect more than the personal reassurance that we are living the life Christ expects us to live in recompense for the sacrifice He made.
Deila, sorry for misspelling your name above.
And thanks for the great blog. I appreciate you putting together such great comments and articles that you do.
Tony — Thanks for the comment (no worry about my name, that happens all the time). Yes, the precepts of men — sounds like Avraham’s teachings in Isaiah. Have you listened to his commentary? Great information on the IsaiahExplained.com site. I have learned alot about patience, the value of suffering and humiliation before greater light and knowledge and the process of moving up the ladder. And I understand waiting for the Lords timing.
It certainly is true that anyone can say they have seen Christ, or heard his voice, and that does not necessarily mean it is true. That can be true about the HG too. I question some people who say they hear the HG tell them to do things like follow Denver and start baptizing people. I believe Joseph Smith and Lorenzo, and David B. Haight — I believe in the testimony of witnesses and that it is a true principle — and that’s why we have the witnesses who saw the gold plates for example. Or others who witnessed visions with Joseph. We have witnesses for ordinances too.
Our faith is built on those examples, and yet we do have the commandment to seek the face of the Lord. And as you say, that is better than relying on someone elses testimony. People do give false witness as well as true.
Even Bruce McConkie admonished that we seek the Lord in his Messiah books:
“Seeing the Lord is not a matter of lineage or rank or position or place of precedence. Joseph Smith said: “God hath not revealed anything to Joseph, but what he will make known unto the Twelve, and even the least saint may know all things as fast as he is able to bear them, for the day must come when no man need say to his neighbor, Know ye the Lord; for all shall know him . . . from the least to the greatest.” (Teachings, p. 149.) The fact is that the day of personal visitations from the Lord to faithful men on earth has no more ceased than has the day of miracles. God is an unchangeable Being; otherwise he would not be God. The sole issue is finding people who have faith and who work righteousness. “For if there be no faith among the children of men God can do no miracle among them; wherefore, he showeth not himself until after their faith.” (Ether 12:12.)”The Promised Messiah, Chapter 31, p.575-595
Thanks for the feedback and sharing your thoughts, it helps me think through these issues.